• Recordings
• Meeting Notes
• Big Items Up Front
• Beanstalk Project Funnel
• Seed Gauge
• wstETH Migration
• Multi Flow V1.1.0
• Gen Convert
• H1 Upgrade Package
• Secure Beanstalk/ Tractor
• BD
• What are the possibilities of resuming a Class schedule?
• Transcript

Recordings

Meeting Notes

Big Items Up Front

• Codehawks audit of the Seed Gauge system is complete and remediations are underway. The audit of the wstETH migration is underway. The judging phase of the Seed Gauge is also complete and there is a 48-hour disputing period. The judging phase is a period for the judges to determine if a bug is valid and how much each bug is worth.

Beanstalk Project Funnel

• This has not changed a lot since the last meeting. Secure Beanstalk has gone from the bottom of the funnel to into development. Rex mentions there have been a lot of talks around reviving the Root token, this is something that would be an above-the-funnel item.
• Pizzaman shared an idea around Unripe Stalk burn. This will next go into a Check to see if the DAO wants to go further with this idea
• Hypernative will be proposed with the Seed Gauge BIP

Seed Gauge

• The judging phase has delayed the deployment a couple of weeks, then everything else should fall in alignment pretty well. Guy mentions that this isn't really rushed and it can be done anytime before the wstETH migration happens

wstETH Migration

• The target deployment date has not changed but some tasks have been changed and the audit has been brought in a week. The audit has started on Monday, and there are a lot of the same auditors from the Seed gauge.

Multi Flow V1.1.0

• The target deployment date has not changed since the last meeting. It is currently in the interim period while other audits are underway

Gen Convert

• There have not been any changes since the last meeting.

H1 Upgrade Package

• Everything is going well with this upgrade, and Deadman is working on deployment scripts. The judging week has been added to the chart.

Secure Beanstalk/ Tractor

• There will be a timeline announced at the next DAO meeting for Secure Beanstalk. The focus is currently on Secure Beanstalk and Tractor will go on the back burner while dev work continues with Secure Beanstalk.

BD

• Rex mentions they have been thinking about what BD looks like for Beanstalk and encourages DAO members if they see a fit for BD in Beanstalk then they should speak up. Rex also mentions that Beanstalk is an economy and it is hard to create BD for an economy. Rex thinks that the upcoming updates to Basin will allow people to start creating relationships with other groups.

What are the possibilities of resuming a Class schedule?

• Rex cannot speak on behalf of Ben, but they did talk to Ben after the Class and they were really happy with how things went last Class. Rex gets the impression that this is something that Ben would consider.

Transcript

first of all I wanted to thank folks again for um for yesterday appreciated Ben's time um appreciated a lot of folks that are here hopping on then and um you know being part of the conversation asking questions and you know really just kind of out there showing support and being willing to be part of the conversation and um you know yeah definitely appreciate how the conversation went um you know I would say that you Ben and chatt it beforehand and we were we were both kind of up in the air as to how things would go and I think it it things in general went really really well um like I said I I I also you know left feeling pretty confident that you know that Ben's probably in a spot where he's going to feel comfortable you know having more talks like that in the future which is great I I feel like I feel like I gained a uh an additional perspective for for Ben's approach you know just kind of hearing him talk yesterday and um yeah I think it's good I think um him being being willing to be candid and then what it kind of gives the rest of the Dow is the ability to say okay well if this is you know if this is the situation what can we do to move forward and I you know I feel like I've got a better understanding of what you know what we could potentially do or what approaches we could take than I ever have so you know definitely appreciate that yesterday so all right um to hop down into the deck so we've got a couple couple items up front um so caw's Auto competition Big Items Up Front for CG gaes completed and I'm gonna so I I put the word in remed remediations and I probably should have changed this to judging before I um before I sent this out um couple things I noticed that I probably would have changed if I had sent this out today as opposed to yesterday but that's just how it always goes um but anyway we were past the The major portion of the competition so we're kind of into the into the final stages with the code Hawks competition and um you know moving right along with that and then the audit of rap Ste uh is um is underway so that's that's good to hear that's moving forward and then we already talked a little bit about um the class that happened happened yesterday um anything else to add from the group for for these big items yeah can anyone hear me yeah great yeah I just wanted to mention that like Rex said the audit is complete and the remediations have finished yesterday so nice currently there is a 48 hour uh disp me the judging finished yesterday yes and then there's a the remediations yeah apologies apologies uh 40h hour dispute period in which Auditors can you know let's say their issue was considered invalid they can make their case or as well as uh change their severity uh not sure if anyone took a look at the results but it seems like there were four six unique uh uh issues in total four of which was medium and two of which were low but uh you know not sure what the final numbers will be after the 48 hour completion period but that's you know can probably go on and work on their mediations so breing Guy this is probably as good a time to kind of ask the question as any and and I asked this not knowing the answer but generally interested to learn so the judging component seems new could you could you guys help us understand what exactly that is in terms of process and how that kind of fits into like this you know the the overall code Hawks approach sure um yeah it seems a little bit obvious in retrospect but uh we didn't include it in the previous uh previous Gant charts but the judging phase is simply an opportunity for the the judges of the competition who determine have ultimate say over the you know the validity and the severity of different issues which determine how much the Auditors are paid uh individually uh happens after the a contest is over and so after the audit contest was over uh maybe a week and a half ago now uh we could see all the reports um but there were a couple hundred and not really the best use of uh uh of our time or Breen's time to filter through all of those ourselves when uh when that's what the judge did over the last week and a half to determine which ones were valid uh and obviously use use uh different bean stock contributors as a reference when when helping determine which ones are valid and and how severe they are so that's the reason that you know remediations of the reports didn't happen immediately uh after the conclusion of the audit so you know lesson learned and that's probably how most of these will go moving forward yeah and that that does make a ton of sense I mean I hadn't thought about it either but as you explain it I think okay you know when you're doing when you're in a white hat competition you're going to have folks of varying levels of you know skill and experience putting these these items in and like you know you have somebody like me that I'm GNA say doesn't know what they're doing but you know maybe trying to help and may find things that aren't necessarily of extreme concern you want a judge to be able to say okay you know we see that but we don't think we think that's severity or whatever to be able to yeah to to call that a little bit and and give us the best feedback possible so now that's that's good to good to understand yeah and we have firsthand experience doing that with uh the immuni bug reports uh you know as high value as that has been there's also been a lot of nonsense reports and it certainly does take take some time to determine that's the case so actually part of the the immuni bip um I think it was bip 41 actually funds uh like a subscription plan with the MiFi to have to have them do a lot of that uh work which is great but uh anyway only somewhat related to this uh this audit stuff interesting okay all right we'll jump down into projects and initiatives so this is another slide that I wish I had actually updated after Beanstalk Project Funnel I wish I had sent this before the the class yesterday because there are probably a couple items that I would put on it because I know that there are things that have um that have come up uh like during the during the talk yesterday and since then so this is um this has not changed a whole lot since the last meeting with the exception of so if anybody's paying attention in terms of changes so secure bean stock has gone from you know bottom of the funnel down into the actual set of um set of projects that are that are currently underway um things that the there are a couple things that I would add to this um that had come from the discussion yesterday and the the big one um and something that that I think Tyler B mentioned too uh was the idea of looking at a um at at some new approach or some type of Revival of the root token and I know that as we talked about it yesterday you know obviously there's a lot of questions about you know what exactly the state of their group is and I think there's there's that's a completely different discussion than what we're what we' want to focus on here but the the message that the group heard and something that you know kind of I think sparked a lot of people's interest M included is that there's still utility for that wrapped Silo position and there's still an opportunity there and if there was a way to figure that out somehow you know either through the existing roote infrastructure or you know potentially through some other project that achieves the same goal you know that might be that might be something worth pursuing so I'm going to at very least you know add that to this information um you know I I do get the impression that there's there's a real desire to to try to figure that out so um you know guy maybe able be talking about I don't know if there's if it warrants an RFC or or something along those lines but um yeah there's there's certain that's something that I think we at least want to have on our radar um other than that I don't think there's been a lot of movement oh yeah uh so oh I think I I think I accidentally wrote hyperactive instead of hyper native so sorry there's a typo there but that should say hyper native and um guy man and I don't want to put you in two type of spot but um I feel like there's been movement there and that's why I moved it down to the bottom of the funnel right did I see some additional communication recently uh you're not putting me in a tough spot at all um I mean at first I wanted to comment on one of the new ones uh that appeared here is the stock burn for unrip assets I believe that pizz man posted uh sort of an idea sharing the idea behind that uh in the beanock ideas Channel a week or two ago and I think it's pretty interesting was talking with him and about uh potentially proposing some sort of temp check proposal uh to determine whether that's of interest to the now given that it would require some development uh you know if the Dow is interested in it better to to get started on that sooner rather than later so hopefully hopefully some sort of proposal um to sort of gauge interest about that can go up in the near future um on the hypera front I don't really have much to add on that front other than the the goal remains to propose that uh alongside the gauge system J yeah so in um given the you know given the the friction that has been involved in in passing bips feel like it makes sense to to try to propose them at around the same time where possible I I agree with that completely agreed and um yeah so in in Rex's little world in the world of this slide so next time we see this slide we'll pull the stock burn for unripe assets down to the top of the funnel because that's to kind of I know there are a lot of folks that probably aren't familiar this is a very a funnel chart is a very like traditional project management or project selection tool and um you know I I admittedly you know I I know that I'm I'm probably one of the older folks in this crowd and so you know there are folks that might not be familiar with kind of how these charts work but like how things move through the funnel is is kind of interesting and admittedly it's a little subjective um for everyone here to understand what um the way that I see this is basically you know I think I've explained it before the stuff that's kind of just floating out in The Ether that we're all kind of chatting about is above the funnel but once we start to say okay hey we're going to start to do some some work on this whatever the concept is or whatever the project is to try to figure out what a a potential path forward is that's when I'm pulling stuff out down the top of the funnel and so yeah we'll pull stock burn from unri assets down and um yeah we'll um we'll add uh we'll add something about the an erc20 wrapper for Silo deposits and you know I'll keep I'll put root in there as well just as a reference point um and that for the next time around okay the drop down into seed gauge so um we've already talked about it a little bit Seed Gauge B and Guy mentioned um that you know we've added this judging phase into the Gant um and you know guy you said it I I I agree you know the in retrospect it makes a lot of sense and and it will be included uh for future items too and actually we'll we'll chat a little bit more down here for other projects but yeah pushed out time timeline just a little bit to make combinations for that judging phase but it does sound like um it sounds like since we're really close to the end of this week the week of April 1st um sounds like that process is pretty much moving forward from here pretty well on time and and looks like the rest of the timeline probably falls together pretty well guy or or Breen you have anything to add I would only add that uh you know take it some people are excited but as far as when this ships uh it really only needs to happen at some point before the the wrapped Ste uh work that depends on it so you know as far as I'm concerned there's no rush as far as you know making any changes based on the audit gotcha and I guess we'll talk about the steeve thing on the on the next slide yeah good transition so um a little bit more movement in terms of wstETH Migration the WAP steth uh migration um had some changes here some addition uh additional weeks for some of the existing items but then pulling in the uh the code Hawks audit uh pulling that in a week so you know overall I don't yeah I don't think there was any change in terms of the target deployment um just some shifting here so and then the addition of the the judging phase for that as well um yeah I mean do you want to you want to add anything here as we're we're talking about this I don't think so other than the uh the audit started on started on Monday yeah and it seems like there are a lot of the same and you know this is sort of anecdotal evidence based on reading people Discord usernames but it seems that there's a there will be a fair amount of participation from from people who who audited the the gauge system as well which is always good yeah I was just going to say I mean to me that is a that's a positive sign because it feels like we're building we're building a group of white ads that know the code base better and better over time so yeah that yeah that's seems like a a good development cool all right um down in multiflow I think this Multi Flow V1.1.0 is you know kind of just humming along um no I don't think there were any changes just mooving forward in the timeline um or in the interim period we've talked about before where um since the code Hawks crew is is working on rap Steve um fortunately that resources is in use right now so we're in that waiting period for multi flow and until then we'll just we'll be in the in the holding pattern anything to add guy all right Jen convert part one so um I don't Gen Convert think any I don't think we've got any changes um in terms of the uh terms of the timeline or pieces um pizza man anything you want to add on this um no I think everything is pretty much going as planned here um maybe worth noting we we did some work to switch over away from hard hat mostly Breen did the work uh to to forge and Foundry so I've been kind of getting up to speed on that um and it's just a little bit faster theoretically to uh to write tests and stuff with that so it's been a great learning experience and hopefully uh you know it'll make development a little bit faster going forwards but um as of now there's a bit of ramp up period just to get tests and stuff working in that different uh framework cool good to H1 Upgrade Package hear okay uh H1 upgrade package so um I I felt bad I I got a message from dead man here um actually I'll I'm going to pull it up um unfortunately because of the time zones um dead man could not make it to this meeting and like I said I always feel bad when um when someone can't it's man it's tough to tough to juggle everything with everybody kind of being around the world we've got a a bigger and bigger network of contributors and uh yeah just tough to catch everyone so I'm going to read Dead Man's message um just says unfortunately due to time zone issues won't be able to make the Dow meeting um if anything comes up to review of the miscellaneous improvements bit uh uh review is well underway and the chop rate change is also included in it uh I'm now starting the component deployment scripts to have them ready for the W steth well coming up and looking forward to hear the record of the Dow meeting so yes so um just some some minor additions from dead man and um again something you'll notice in the chart is we did add the uh did add the um the judging weekend here as well anything to add guy okay so these last two um this was a little bit of a change so um funer who I Secure Beanstalk/ Tractor I don't think I don't think I saw them on because they're again very different time zone um let me make sure that they're not on no funer isn't on um so yeah funder couldn't make it uh but up to this point or up to very recently um funder had been working on tractor and um I think I miss spoke when I first talked about it uh funer has been working on that since essentially since the new year um so since yeah since 2024 started um but after some discussions um and guy again you know definitely take any additional color you have here but talking with funer um there's been a strong desire to kind of shift gears and focus on secure beanock instead um with the idea that as these uh more intricate components um for generalized convert and for seed gauge and the wrap steth well and then eventually more permissionless Wells as as those components come together um there's more and more desire more and more concern about potential security issues so funder's been redirected a little bit to focus instead on on secure beanock um so just so everybody's aware um tractor is a little bit on the back burner for now um that is not a a permanent change but yeah just a a rearrangement of priorities for the sake of of security so have anything you want to add on that guy yeah just that uh you know it's not ripped the tractor but it is kind of funny that this has happened two or three times now uh and feels like we've been talking about tractor for for years at this point uh but you know I mean the nature of beanock is that every time it's upgraded there's uh additional risk that is assumed and the sooner that this change can be implemented properly uh all things else considered would be would be better for for beanock security so it's a little bit of a a short rationale but uh it sort of speaks for itself um and happy to answer any other questions on that front I think that it also helped that funer was particularly excited about this project so if everybody notices I mean obviously even the Gant chart so this Gant chart is I think this is I think I just copy and pasted the Gant chart from um from the H1 upgrade package just for the sake of having something here but this is obviously not correct at all um funer is working on a timeline for this as well so by the time we get to the next Dow meeting we'll have something here with with a definitive timeline to go along with it um so yeah just little bit of a on hold when when it comes to what this will look like but yeah just so everyone's aware this is where funer is focusing their time and then tractor you know to to kind of speak to that um this this SC is actually um at least it is correct in terms of the list of tasks um so you know if anybody's interested in in some of those tasks that are underneath the tractor program um they are listed here um the general timelines are probably about right in terms of their duration but obviously since funder is going to be working on secure beanock uh this stuff is going to move around so more to come on that but you know just so everybody is aware that we are you know obviously still tracking this information too and we'll uh continue to publish it and um once once we get secure beanock nailed down in terms of a timeline we'll probably be able to update tractors well to make sure that everybody's just aware of kind of how things are flowing well that's it for uh for the main slides um moving pretty fast but um you know we're getting a pretty good Rhythm when it comes to what's going on in these meetings anyway so I just wanted to kind of open up the floor a little bit and um see if anybody else had anything to add or any questions or you know anything even additional from yesterday that wanted to talk about or yeah just open the floor up can also drop something in the chat too I'm trying to keep an eye out on both so with the possibility of giving folks just an extra minute to um to drop items in or or to you know think of any questions if they have them you know something that I took away BD that um that I keep thinking about and actually um have had some discussions with other folks um over the last week or so you know there's and and and bigger discussions for a longer periods of time um a lot of folks have either chatted with me or asked in in one of the channels specifically about things like Business Development and um you know it was really interesting to hear Ben's perspective yesterday about that and and get a good idea for for you know I'm GNA say his level of Interest which I'm also going to say sounds like it is very low which is okay you know and and you know I would want to be clear at least in terms of my opinion you know I think it's perfectly reasonable if you know if someone like Ben says hey I love the modeling portion love the economics I love the theory behind this but I don't love doing things like Business Development and I you know I I get that and I hear it loud and clear I think what that should communicate to us as a dow though is that if that is something that that that we are interested in then you know we we should be thinking about it actively um to to probably put my thoughts into a little bit better frame personally you know I view beanock as something like an economy rather than a product and so up to this point you know we've we've obviously worked with we've had some internal marketing folks we've had external you know marketing contractors um probably seen a little bit more success with internal folks and external folks but it's always been kind of hard to determine why and um I think part of the fundamental issue is that it's hard to like create a bizdev plan or a marketing campaign for an economy it's easier to do it for a product and um again in a lot of conversations over the last week or so you know I think that as as Wells and permissionless well implementation gets closer um you know I do think that there are going to be more opportunities for folks to start to lean into developing relationships with outside groups and saying hey you know Basin is a platform where you can you can create some really unique Pairs and really unique um opportunities to trade tokens against others and you know build these permissionless liquidity pools and um you I do think that there is room for for someone or a group of people to potentially take that on more formally and I guess I'd want to encourage folks that are in the Dow or listening to this meeting to think about you know what that might look like um you know I obviously I'm not making any decisions here but I think that there's a place for people to think about it so um anyway just to obviously me kind of just giving my opinion but um I do think it is it's something we should be thinking about because it won't be long till we do have a very specific potential product to offer out outside groups so just something for us to be to be considering all right I don't see I think I think Kobe Bane dropped a question in the in the chat section of the Barnyard voice chel in the chat section of the Barnyard all right let me pull that up oh there it is okay okay what are the possibilities resuming a regular class schedule moving forward once a month potentially love What are the possibilities of resuming a class schedule? the conversation yesterday and first off want to definitely Echo um what you said there at the end like it really was a great great time great discussion really you know really good um and again I'll say I can't speak too much for Ben but I know that you know talking with him afterwards felt good about you know how everything went and you know I think we kind of both walked away feeling pretty good um as for a regular class schedule I again can't speak for Ben you know he's really the Lynch pin for anything like that I'm you know just a just a facilitator or somebody that tries to help make things happen but I I get the impression that that is at least something that You' be open to you know just just based on conversations so I I you know I do think that there's a there's room for us to say hey would you be willing to get together once a month and you know we're so we're going to have we're having these meetings probably twice a month these Dow meetings to just get project updates and you know keep keep in touch with the community it would be awesome if you know on one of the off weeks if we could have something else I I think that'd be fantastic and um I don't get the impression that that Ben would be necessarily opposed to that again don't want to speak too much for him but yeah I I think that that's a I think that's a reasonable ask and I and I guess what I would say to this group is that um I think now even just based on the conversation yesterday I feel like um we may be in a better position to understand what Ben feels like he has to offer and and like you know what where he feels like his place is in the Dow and and again I you know I think that that is different than what some people imagine it has been before or I'm sure some people it's different than what they imagine it might that they think it might should be but getting to a place where everybody has at least a common understanding of what everyone else is trying to do I think is a good step forward and um you know I I know that Ben loves being stock and he loves to talk about it and you know loves to you know spread the good word of of what we're trying to do here and so yeah I think it's a reasonable ask to say hey you know what do you think about once a month so um I will be happy to actually I'll I'll be happy to communicate that to him personally to see if there' be interest in doing doing something regular all right um I don't see anything else in the barnyard chat and I don't see anything General Closing statements so um we'll give one last call for folks if they have any questions or thoughts speak now or temporarily hold your pece okay hearing and seeing nothing U man this is great 38 minutes not bad at all um so yeah we will um so this is published we're good to go I'll put this out on Twitter here over the next day or so we'll get the recordings up from yesterday and from today um shout out again to Canadian Bennett as always for taking care of that and and um yeah we will uh we'll see everybody I think I think our next next meeting because I'm actually out of the area I think our next meeting is the 23rd in fact I'm almost certain so we will uh plan to talk with everybody on the 23rd if not before thanks everybody